triangulator
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A bust to the kings gambit? This was printed by fischer and i am just giving the main line not the many side lines he gave:
1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 d6!
4. Bc4 h6
5. d4 g5
6. O-O Bg7
7. c3 Nc6
8. Qb3 Qe7
9. h4 Nf6
10. hxg5 hxg5
11. Nxg5 Nxe4
12. Bxf7+ Kd8
13. Nxe4 Qxe4
14. Bxf4 Nxd4
If anyone realy wants me to i can copy the hole article by fischer for you. But I was wondering what the higher rated players would do after d6! as white? and of course all insite is welcome!
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brobishkin
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Fischer... Fischer wrote a book on the Kings Gambit... His purpose for d6 (as black) was to secure the e5 square away from whites Knight... But Bc5 after the d6 pawn moves seems best to me (playing the center of the board)... d4 is another option but turns into a vise versa move...
J.M.O... Bro...
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chuckventimiglia
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Re: Fischer 4.d4 is the best move after 3...d6 The plan of
4.Bc4 followed by 5.d3 is also plausible but 4.d4
is the strongest response to the Fischer defense.
Chuck
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atrifix
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Established theory runs 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 g5 5. h4 g4 6. Ng1. The knight can then be relocated to e2, however, 3... d6 is regarded as one of Black's best options against the King's Gambit.
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dozer
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What do you think of the counter gambit 2. - d5 (3. exd5 e4) ? I was thinking I might give it a shot. Usually I have played 2. - Bc5
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brunetti
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Brobishkin What book are you referring to? I know only the article mentioned by triangulator.
My opinion is that 4.d4 is a good response, but the 4.Bc4 plan is also good. I played a lot of games with the latter, and currently I have a game with the exact moves given by atrifix (board #368160) because I'm just testing the 4.d4 line.
To dozer: Falkbeer (2...d5 3.exd5 e4) is now regarded as a poor variation.
Alex
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chuckventimiglia
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In the time of Fischer..... the 3.d6 [Fischer Defence] was considered good because Fischer was playing it. Today the Fischer Defence is not considered the best variation against the KG. Probably the best play against the KG is 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 .......
The KG is my favorite opening for White and I will play it anytime I can. In the 45+ years I have played chess I have found that opening theory never remains static. There has been a lot of "new" theory brought into the game by newer Masters and GMs. The KG is one of those openings.
Chuck
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triangulator
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chuck, in the article fischer claims he lost playing 3...g5-but it is the most popular reply
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swindel
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KG chuck and brunetti, you don't agree with Shirov's 1.e4 e5 2.f4? in NIC then ;-)
triangulator
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traitor? how is ficher a traiter? Tulkos, what were your opponents ratings? and you play d4 against me when did you start playing the KG?
chuckventimiglia
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Hello Swindel what.... are you saying about me not agreeing with the
KG in NIC? What is NIC? :-] Chuck
chuckventimiglia
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"I have played against d6.... with 4.Bc4 and won some games with it." I am sure you have but the only time I play 4.Bc4 in the KG is when I am playing the Muzio variation. Which is very risky play for both sides.
I play the KG a lot because there are many correspondence players out there that have never played against it. Chuck
atrifix
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Actually, Fischer has never played the Fischer defense. The only reason it bears his name is because he introduced the theory given in the article mentioned by triangulator, after he lost to Spassky with 3...g5. So I doubt 3... d6 is considered good because Fischer was playing it, simply because he wasn't :)
3... g5 is the most popular, but 3... d6 is also considered one of Black's most challenging responses to the KG today.
chuckventimiglia
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Atrifix granted but.... what I was trying to say was that anything that Fischer introduced back in the late '60s-early 70's
was considered great because it was Bobby Fischer.
3....d6 is a good reply to the KG but I prefer another that is I consider better and I do well
with it.
I rather play White when playing the KG though. Chuck
acne
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i prefer 3...g5 or 3...d5 while playing as black. respond to 3...d6 i'll play 4.d4
swindel
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chuck hi chuck, NIC is New In Chess (sorry, lots of people use that abbreviation). Shirov wrote some analysis there which i read, and it was pretty funny cos he played the KG as white and started the analysis with 1.e4 e5 2.f4? I guess it might have been published in Informator too, but my interest in the KG is minimal, and i only remember reading it cos i thought it was funny :-)
chuckventimiglia
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Hello Atrifix but Fischer.... did play the "Fischer Defence" at least once. In 1964. Take a look!! Chuck
Fischer,R - Mott Smith,K [C38]
Chicago sim Chicago, 1964
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 g5 5.Bc4 h6 6.0-0 Bg7 7.c3 Ne7 8.g3 Ng6 9.Qb3 0-0 10.gxf4 gxf4 11.Kh1 Nc6 12.Qc2 Nce7 13.Nbd2 Be6 14.Rg1 Bxc4 15.Nxc4 d5 16.Nce5 dxe4 17.Qxe4 Qd5 18.Qxd5 Nxd5 19.Nxg6 fxg6 20.Rxg6 Kh7 21.Rg2 Rae8 22.Bd2 Ne3 23.Re2 Nc4 24.Rae1 Rxe2 25.Rxe2 Nxd2 26.Nxd2 Rf6 27.Nf3 Bf8 28.Re8 a5 29.b3 Bd6 30.c4 b6 31.Kg2 Kg6 32.Kf2 Kf5 33.h3 Rf8 34.Nh4+ Kg5 35.Rxf8 Bxf8 36.Ng2 Bg7 37.d5 Be5 38.Kf3 Kf5 39.Ne1 Bc3 40.Nd3 Be5 41.a3 Bd6 42.b4 axb4 43.axb4 Be7 44.c5 bxc5 45.bxc5 Bg5 46.Nb4 Be7 47.Na6 Ke5 48.d6 cxd6 49.c6 Bd8 50.c7 Bxc7 51.Nxc7 d5 52.Na6 Kf5 53.Nb4 d4 54.Nd3 Kg5 55.Nxf4 Kh4 56.Kg2 h5 57.Kh2 1-0
chuckventimiglia
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Maybe the game above is.... where Fischer first learned the Fischer Defence.
:-]] Mott played that then "unamed" defence against Fischer. Chuck
luresau
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I always have fun playing the kings gambit as white, eventhough i usaully always loose playing it;)
atrifix
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Fischer didn't play the "Fischer Defense", he played the King's Gambit. Mott selected the 'Fischer Defense', and Fischer was playing against it. More specifically, Fischer did not play the Black side of the Fischer Defense.
chuckventimiglia
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Right that is what.... I said in my second post. I posted twice. Read the second one. I was just kidding with you. :-]
When I get done with some of my games I would like to play a King's Gambit with you. Let me know when. Chuck
triangulator
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chuck I would love to play you in a few KG games 1 as white and 1 as black I am 1612 and if that is too low wait a few weeks and ill go up I have 5 out of my 8 games won- Jason
triangulator
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KG games I would also like to play anyone here in a match like that(play one Kings gambit accepted as white and one a black) so just send me 2 challenges if you want to-thanks-Jason
triangulator
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anyone else? anyone esle like to play 1 games as white and 1 as black in some KGA? just send me 2 challenges
macheide
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triangulator Dear friend,
It is said that the motivation that Fischer had to write "A Bust to the King's Gambit" was the following game, the first against Spassky and one of the rare games in which Fischer answered to 1.e4 with 1...e5. It was played in the Mar del Plata Tournament in Argentina, in March 30th, 1960:
B. Spassky-1
R. Fischer -0
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 6.d4 D6...(I don't want to remember the following moves, I suffered a well deserved but very painful defeat in a game of the TT1, :-)
I put this last move in capital letter because I think that this was the germ of Fischer's idea: Why not 3...d6 before 3...g5 (Kieseritzky Gambit)?.
On the other side, it is very interesting the game mentioned by chuckventimiglia. The only 3 King's Gambits played by Fischer, that I had notice, were played in the Bishop's Variation: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4.
Best regards.
tonlesu
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K O Mott-Smith game This took place on March 22, 1964 during Fischer's coast to coast tour. This is Kmoch writing in Chess Review.
This game is from a simultaneous exhibition, but there is no reason to characterize it as such with the disdainful "only." It is chess on a very high level for which both sides deserve ample credit. Black faces difficulties but puts up excellent resistance for a long time. Only at the very end when, probably, he had to move quickly, does he slip.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6---of all the regular forms of the King's Gambit Accepted, the Hanstein Gambit is the least promising for White. Such at least used to be the opinion of Spielman and is Fischer's opinion today. But for Black to achieve the Hanstein, it is necessary to avoid the Kieseritzki Gambit ( 3...g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5). Hence 3...h6 as reccommended by Becker, or 3...d6 as preferred by Fischer. 4.d4 g5 5.Bc4 h6 6.O-O Bg7
This is the Hanstein Gambit.
chuckventimiglia
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Would like to play.... anyone in the KG but I have a bunch of games at the moment. Wait a week or so and send me a challenge one for White & one for Black. Chuck
triangulator
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KG I have just come back from a tourney in locost grove oklahoma,where i drew a 2044as black playing e4 e5 f4 exf4 nf3 d6 Bc4 a6 c3 g5 0-0 bg7. It was played on a board that automatically records the moves and there was a power failer and it whipped out the moves so i dont have them. Ok chuck, thank you macheide
Jason
macheide
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tonlesu Dear friend,
I didn't want to use the word "only" in a despective context, please. What I said was that THERE WERE "ONLY" 3 FISHER'S KING'S GAMBIT GAMES THAT I HAD NOTICE, nothing more, nothing less, as Humpty Dumpty said :-)
Best wishes.
tonlesu
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macheide I enjoy your pithy comments in the forum and hope you keep sharing your knowledge of the game with us. When Chuck posted the KO Mott-Smith game it reminded me of the time I was checking Fischer's 64' simultaneous tour and how many masters actually took boards against him. usually, in every city, a handful of masters took a board against Fischer.
Any master who takes a board against Fischer admits right from the start the great superiority of Fischer. Playing alongside so many others against one single man who walks by very casually and makes his moves quickly, deliberately and with ease makes one feel as small and insignificant as an ant. One simply can't play his best, and Fischer knows this and takes full advantage of it. The KO Mott-Smith occurred in Chicago in march 22, 64'. He played 71 boards that night. It included 2 masters, 5 experts, 7 A's, 13 B's, 10 C's and 34 unrated. He had 56 wins, 4 losses, and 11 draws.
Fischer often requested that his opponents be seated according to rating. He concentrated mostly on the strongest players while allowing draws to some of the weaker players.
macheide
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tonlesu Dear friend,
Thanks for your kind words. By the way I've annotated your above comments that are very interesting to me because Fischer is one of my idols.
Best regards.
tonlesu
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macheide I have always been interested in Fischer. He is a real enigma. He reminds me of Alekhine who also had some serious character defects. His anti-jewish articles during the war led to his ostracization at war's end. The reigning worlds champion couldn't get an invitation to the Hastings victory tournament of 1945. Which in turn reminds one of Morphy who declined to fight for the confederacy and escaped the condemnation of his neighbors by journeying overseas during the war years.
Three of the greatest finishing their careers on a very sorrowful note. Sad but fascinating.