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Posted by sharpgate cyclonechess.com 4/14/2008 16:25:41 Play online chess	Subject: ratings Message: Does anyone know how to approximate a 1700 GN rating to USCF rating? Ron
Posted by chuckventimiglia cyclonechess.com 4/14/2008 19:01:23 Play online chess	You can't!! Message: You may approximate it to a USCF CC rating but not OTB.
Posted by taufiq cyclonechess.com 4/15/2008 00:25:42 Play online chess	... Message: Can someone explain what GN, USCF, OTB stands for ? CC is correspondence chess, right ? Thanks in advance :) ——— Rise of computers has lifted game — Bobby Fischer was rarely wrong about chess matters. But in one critical issue, he erred grievously: Late in life, he concluded that chess was played out. Most of the important possibilities in the opening phase had been explored and understood, he thought, and grandmasters’ reliance on computers had taken the creativity out of the game. But it seems that the opposite is true. A complete database of chess games now would be in the millions, not in the tens or hundreds of thousands as in Fischer’s time. And that volume continues to grow as an increasing number of strong chess players, playing an ever larger number of games, dominates chess. Not surprisingly, chess players’ repertoires have ...
Posted by marinvukusic cyclonechess.com 4/15/2008 00:47:29 Play online chess	Translation Message: GN = GameKnot (should be GK) USCF = US Chess Federation OTB = Over The Board CC = Correspondence Chess ——— Armenia Takes Team Title; Chinese Player Is Top Scorer — The Chess Olympiad, which was first held in 1924, is the most elite national team event in the chess world. But the World Team Chess Championship is in some ways more competitive because it includes only 10 squads, so there are no easy matches. This year, Armenia, the No. 4 seed, was the runaway winner at the chess event, which ended on Tuesday in Ningbo, China. It was hardly an upset; the Armenians, behind Levon Aronian, have won two of the last three Chess Olympiads, which are held every two years. China, the No. 6 seed, finished second, and Ukraine lived up to its seeding by winning the bronze medal. Russia, which was the top seed and had won the last two Team Chess Championships, finished ...
Posted by taufiq cyclonechess.com 4/15/2008 04:25:47 Play online chess	Thanks alot, Message: marinvukusic; things are all clear now :) Geert ——— Armenia replaces England as nation that punches above its weight — In the 1980s and 1990s England punched above their weight in world chess events. Silver medals in the Chess Olympiads of 1984, 1986 and 1988 and bronze at the 1985 and 1989 world teams were followed by gold at the 1997 Euroteams. After that the England chess team aged or retired, while competition increased with the break-up of the Soviet Union. There have been hopes in the past two years that a new England chess group could become international contenders, as Luke McShane, David Howell and Gawain Jones became strong chess grandmasters to support the established stars Michael Adams and Nigel Short. But recently McShane has reverted to a full-time job and is not competing in ...
Posted by sharpgate cyclonechess.com 4/15/2008 06:33:48 Play online chess	Message: this is the issue. 40 years ago when I played on my college chess team I had a USCF rating of about 1500. 40 years later my GK rating is about 1700. Am I getting better or worst? ——— Chess-mad Armenia's heroes return in triumph — Armenia's top chess players, lauded as heroes after winning the 2011 World Team Chess Championship this week, vowed on Friday to boost the small chess-mad country's status in the game even further. The team's head coach said that future successes will be secured through official support and an unusual new scheme to promote the game among schoolchildren initiated by Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian, a keen chess player who also heads the country's Chess Federation. "Because of this attention and care, we can improve our game," coach Arshak Petrosian told a press conference, two days after returning from the chess tournament in China to a rapturous welcome from fans and ...
Posted by chessnovice cyclonechess.com 4/15/2008 06:48:41 Play online chess	... Message: If I were in your shoes, I would take the optimist's route and believe that you are better than you were 40 years ago. That said, I think the GK rating generally inflates the "true" value of your rating ("true" because who's to say that USCF is all that accurate, either?). There's also the possibility that your skill level remained about level. Did you read any chess books over the past few years? Have you gone over many of your games to find where you make mistakes? Do you find yourself noticing more or less inspired moves when you're playing? Either way, if you've played for the past 40 years, I'd find it hard to believe you're getting worse. ——— U.S. doesn't medal in China — During a long and grueling chess tournament here in Ningbo, China, the U.S. team had real chances to capture a medal at the World Team Championship. But the competition proved too fierce, and we had to settle for tie for fourth place with 10 total points. However, after the complex tiebreak system, the U.S. ended up in sixth place, which is slightly better than our original seventh-place seeding. Still, it was a bit disappointing, as we squandered some golden opportunities. In a normal chess tournament, an individual receives one point for a win and a half point for a draw. The same was true for this event, but individual results were tallied up after each round and then teams were awarded points based ...
Posted by lighttotheright cyclonechess.com 4/15/2008 21:12:13 Play online chess	Message: OTB is different. On GK, you have more time to make the move. Your quality of game should improve because of less time pressure. A 1500 game played on GK is going to look more accurate on average than one played OTB at the presumed same class level. Some people cannot necessarily translate their skills at GK to OTB, nor OTB skills to GK performance. These are different skills sets that are difficult to transfer. Yet, just playing more accurate more often should eventually improve OTB play. It just takes time.
Posted by fmgaijin cyclonechess.com 4/16/2008 03:30:50 Play online chess	Chessnovice: Message: If you doubt the accuracy of GK ratings vs. other CORRESPONDENCE ratings, check out the performance of Cairo's team of GK players (Peace: The Power That Preserves) in the ICCF team championships (see links on his player page) or Rodog's ICCF performances (see links on his player page).
Posted by chessnovice cyclonechess.com 4/16/2008 04:39:39 Play online chess	... Message: I don't doubt the relative strength of their ratings. I'm certain that Cairo's team is very talented. I just know from my personal vantage point... I don't really believe I play at an 1800 level.
Posted by fmgaijin cyclonechess.com 4/16/2008 04:53:13 Play online chess	Still Thinking "Absolute" Message: Even though you acknowledge in the first clause that chess ratings are relative to the population of the rating group, your last clause shows that you are still thinking of "1800 level" as some absolute. All it actually reflects is your position in a particular population of players, because that is all that Arpad Elo's system is designed to show. Thus, one cannot even compare Fischer's 2800 rating with Kasparov's or Topolov's because they lived in different times and even though they played in the same rating system, the population changed as players aged, died, and were replaced. If you hold a GK 1800 rating across some significant number of games and did not get it via timeouts, etc., then you are playing at an 1800 level IN THAT POPULATION.
Posted by chessnovice cyclonechess.com 4/16/2008 07:08:18 Play online chess	... Message: Good point, that is an inconsistency on my part.
Posted by bonsai cyclonechess.com 4/24/2008 23:53:09 Play online chess	Message: And of course you can add or subtract any number you please from ratings. One would approximately expect a 1800 on gameknot is to score about the same against a 2200 on gameknot as a 2000 FIDE versus a 2400 FIDE (i.e. the rating difference means the same thing), at least if their past performance is indicative of their chess strength. However even if the two ratings measured the same kind of skill (which they probably don't exactly), then it would still not be clear which points on the scales correspond to each other. Of course if the rating were comparable, then one would be able to look at players that have both ratings and possibly be able to figure out a reasonable conversion. However as said before we probably have to expect that CC and OTB ratings simply measure two related, but not identical kinds of past performance.