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cryptos 36 ( +1 | -1 )
c3 sicilian - grrr!!! Anybody got any good lines for black against c3 for white in the sicilian? I keep playing people who stop me playing the najdorf by going 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3. I've got a book with the line 1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5!? but obviously this doesn't work if white plays the knight to f3 first. I get the feeling white is aiming for a transposition into a line of the Lopez that is bad for black. Any help please???
philaretus 36 ( +1 | -1 )
There are.... .....numerous playable continuations for Black (as you can see for yourself if you browse the Gameknot database). The most effective is probably the obvious 3...Nf6, taking care to avoid the trap 4...Nxe4??? after 4.Be2.

You can't expect always to be allowed to play the Najdorf --- you have to be able to play whatever is thrown at you. In this case, you have little to worry about, as 3.c3 is a weak move.
wellhairedbeast 11 ( +1 | -1 )
What makes 3.c3 a weak move?

Just so i can understand why not to do it and how to exploit it
if my opponent makes that move.
xerox 4 ( +1 | -1 )
c3 c3 isn't a bad move...
It's just a matter of style
basti1981 38 ( +1 | -1 )
c3 tricky, but not necessarily weak hum, somehow my post did not appear, but ok I'll try it again

c3 is rather seldom continuation but it's playable, I would also suggest to continue with Nf6

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1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 Nf6 4. Bd3 is also a playable continuation, I think it was Bent Larsen who described that move as tricky. The pillage of white's light squared Bishop f1-d3-c2 might look weird, but to find a defutation while playing is a different story.
bonsai 11 ( +1 | -1 )
In this specfic position (i.e. after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3) maybe one could play 3...Bg4.
The way I see it that has to be fairly annoying for white.
jeffreydot 18 ( +1 | -1 )
As black... ...a good response to 2)Nf3 would be....2)..., e6 3)d4, cxd4 4)Nxd4, a6. This is the sicilian kan variation. I would suggest looking it up on the internet or in a book, because there are a few of variations to this play.
bonsai 16 ( +1 | -1 )
jeffreydot: Well, but I guess he does prefer his Najdorf. Also 3.c3 is also feasible against 2...e6. Another thought I've had: Is the wing gambit 3.b4 better after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 or 2...d6?
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blindio 35 ( +1 | -1 )
3. c3 3. c3 has been used quite often by at least 2 world champions (Smyslov and Spassky) so it can't be all that bad. I think the main point is to avoid the vast block of theoretical knowledge that the top players need to be able to effectively counter the more usual Sicilian lines (including the Najdorf). I use it myself as I am not confident in the more regular systems.
lordoftherings 6 ( +1 | -1 )
3.c3 ... not a bad move at all...:) but i like to play against it with black :)
cryptos 57 ( +1 | -1 )
lines gentleman please. It's all very nice saying how much you like to play certain lines, but I was hoping for a more definite continuation than Nf6. Obviously the difference between this line and the open sicilian lines is that white has a much more powerful centre. Is there any way to hit back at that centre effectively (eg Bg4, e5)? GM Bent Larsen once said that he thought 3.d4 was a positional blunder because it gave up one of the centre pawns. Maybe he's right and 3.c3 is a better line. Anybody got a decent plan which doesn't transpose into a Lopez line?
philaretus 7 ( +1 | -1 )
Without e5 by Black, the game could have no resemblance to a Ruy Lopez.
basti1981 281 ( +1 | -1 )
you want some lines? here you have some games, with 3. c3

[Event "Corus"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "2000.01.15"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Adams,Michael"]
[Black "Kasparov,Garry"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Be2 Bd7 5.Qc2 Qc7 6.0-0 g6 7.d4 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Nc6
9.Be3 Bg7 10.c4 Ng4 11.Bxg4 Bxg4 12.Qd2 0-0 13.b3 Nxd4 14.Bxd4 Bxd4 15.Qxd4 Qc5 16.Qd3 a6
17.Nc3 Be6 18.a4 b6 19.Kh1 b5 20.axb5 axb5 21.Rxa8 Rxa8 22.Nxb5 Ra2 23.Kg1 Rb2 24.Nd4 Bd7
25.h3 Qa5 26.Rd1 Qa2 27.Qf1 Qa7 28.Qe1 f6 29.Qe3 Qa2 30.Qe1 Qa7 31.Kf1 Kf7 32.Rd2 Qa2
33.Rxb2 Qxb2 34.Qd1 h5 35.f3 g5 36.Ne2 g4 37.hxg4 hxg4 38.Kf2 Be6 39.Qd3 Bd7 40.f4 Bc6
41.Kg3 Qa1 42.Nc3 f5 43.Qe3 fxe4 44.Nxe4 Qf1 45.Ng5+ Ke8 46.Qd2 Qb1 47.Kxg4 Qxb3 48.Qe2 Qb1
49.Kg3 Qf5 50.Nf3 Qg6+ 51.Kf2 Qf7 52.Kg3 Qg6+ 53.Ng5 Qf5 54.Qd2 e5 55.Nf3 Qxf4+ 56.Qxf4 exf4+
57.Kxf4 Bb7 58.g3 Ba6 59.Nd2 Ke7 60.Ke4 Ke6 61.Kd4 1/2

[Event "Rubinstein mem"]
[Site "Polanica Zdroj"]
[Date "2000.08.17"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Svidler,Peter"]
[Black "Van Wely,Loek"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.Bc2 Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 g6 8.0-0 Bg7
9.Qe2 0-0 10.d3 b5 11.Nd2 Nd7 12.Nf3 b4 13.Bd2 Rb8 14.Ba4 Qc7 15.Rfc1 Rfc8 16.d4 bxc3
17.bxc3 Rb2 18.Qa6 Ncb8 19.Qd3 Nb6 20.Bd1 Nc6 21.Rcb1 Rxb1 22.Rxb1 cxd4 23.cxd4 d5 24.e5 Nc4
25.Bg5 e6 26.h4 Rb8 27.Bb3 N6a5 28.h5 Nxb3 29.axb3 Nb6 30.hxg6 fxg6 31.Bd2 Nd7 32.b4 Nf8
33.b5 Qd7 34.Ne1 h6 35.Qb3 Qf7 36.Ra1 g5 37.Nd3 Ng6 38.Nc5 Nh4 39.Ra6 Rb6 40.Ba5 Rxa6
41.bxa6 Qf5 42.Qh3 Qxh3 43.gxh3 Nf3+ 44.Kg2 Nxd4 45.Nd7 Kf7 46.Bb6 Nb5 47.Bc5 Ke8 48.Nb8 Bxe5
49.Nc6 Bf4 0-1

[Event "Zuerich Kortschnoj KO"]
[Site "Zuerich"]
[Date "2001.04.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Short,Nigel D"]
[Black "Kasparov,Garry"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.Bc2 Bg4 6.d3 e6 7.Nbd2 Be7 8.Nf1 d5
9.Qe2 c4 10.exd5 cxd3 11.Bxd3 Nxd5 12.h3 Bxf3 13.Qxf3 Qa5 14.Be4 0-0 15.Nd2 f5 16.Bxd5 Qxd5
17.Qxd5 exd5 18.Nf3 Bf6 19.0-0 d4 20.c4 d3 21.Rb1 Rad8 22.Be3 Rfe8 23.Rfd1 Re4 24.Nd2 Re7
25.Nb3 g5 26.Kf1 1/2


[Event "Pune"]
[Site "Pune"]
[Date "2004.09.03"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Kasimdzhanov,Rustam"]
[Black "Sutovsky,Emil"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Be2 Bd7 5.Qc2 Bc6 6.d3 Nbd7 7.Nbd2 Rc8 8.d4 cxd4
9.Nxd4 g6 10.0-0 Bg7 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Nb3 0-0 13.Be3 c5 14.Rad1 Qc7 15.f4 Qc6 16.Nd2 Rb8
17.Bf3 Qa6 18.b3 Ne8 19.Nc4 Nb6 20.Be2 Nxc4 21.Bxc4 Qa5 22.e5 dxe5 23.f5 Nd6 24.fxg6 hxg6
25.Rxd6 exd6 26.Qxg6 Qxc3 27.Bh6 Qd4+ 28.Kh1 e4 29.Bxf7+ Rxf7 30.Qxf7+ Kh8 31.Qh5 Bxh6 32.Qxh6+ Kg8
33.h3 Qg7 34.Qe6+ Kh8 35.Rf5 1-0

[Event "New York Masters 20th"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "2002.08.13"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Yudasin,Leonid"]
[Black "Nakamura,Hikaru"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Be2 Bd7 5.d3 Nc6 6.0-0 g6 7.Nbd2 Bg7 8.d4 cxd4
9.cxd4 0-0 10.d5 Ne5 11.Nxe5 dxe5 12.Bc4 Ne8 13.b3 Nd6 14.Bb2 b5 15.Bd3 e6 16.Ba3 Qb6
17.dxe6 Bxe6 18.Bxd6 Rfd8 19.Nf3 Rxd6 20.Qe2 a6 21.Ng5 Bd7 22.Rad1 h6 23.Nf3 Rd8 24.Bc2 Be6
25.Rxd6 Rxd6 26.Rd1 Bf6 27.h3 Rxd1+ 28.Qxd1 Qc5 29.Nh2 Bh4 30.Qe2 Qa3 31.Bd3 Bd8 32.Ng4 Kg7
33.Qd2 Bg5 34.Qc2 Qd6 35.Qc3 Bxg4 36.hxg4 Bd8 37.g3 Bb6 38.Kg2 Bd4 39.Qc2 Qf6 40.a4 bxa4
41.bxa4 a5 42.Bc4 Qc6 43.Bb3 Qf6 44.Bd5 h5 45.gxh5 gxh5 46.Qe2 h4 47.Qg4+ Kf8 48.gxh4 Qxf2+
49.Kh3 Be3 50.Qg3 Qf1+ 51.Qg2 Qf6 52.Qg3 Qf1+ 53.Qg2 Qf6 54.Qg3 Bh6 55.Kg2 Bf4 56.Qg4 Be3
57.Qc8+ Kg7 58.Qg4+ Kh6 59.Qf5 Qg7+ 60.Kf3 Bf4 61.Qxf7 Qg3+ 62.Ke2 Qe3+ 63.Kf1 Qd3+ 64.Kf2 Qg3+
65.Kf1 Qh3+ 66.Ke2 Qe3+ 67.Kf1 Qh3+ 68.Ke2 Qg2+ 69.Kd3 Qd2+ 70.Kc4 Qb4+ 71.Kd3 Qd4+ 72.Ke2 Qd2+
73.Kf1 Qd3+ 74.Kf2 Qg3+ 75.Kf1 Qf3+ 76.Ke1 Qc3+ 77.Kf2 Qd2+ 78.Kf1 Qd3+ 79.Kf2 Qe3+ 80.Kf1 Qh3+
81.Ke2 Qh2+ 82.Kd3 Qd2+ 83.Kc4 Qb4+ 84.Kd3 1/2

[Event "Bled ol (Men)"]
[Site "Bled"]
[Date "2002.10.26"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Akopian,Vladimir"]
[Black "Stefansson,Hannes"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Bd3 g6 5.0-0 Bg7 6.Bc2 Nc6 7.h3 0-0 8.Re1 e5
9.d4 cxd4 10.cxd4 exd4 11.Nxd4 Nxd4 12.Qxd4 Re8 13.Qd1 d5 14.e5 Ne4 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Qxd8 Rxd8
17.Bf4 Bd7 18.Rxe4 Bc6 19.Re1 Rd4 20.Bg3 Re8 21.Nc3 Rd2 22.b3 f6 23.exf6 Rxe1+ 24.Rxe1 Bxf6
25.Be5 Bd8 26.Rd1 Rxd1+ 27.Nxd1 a5 28.f3 a4 29.bxa4 Bxa4 30.Nc3 Bc6 31.Kf2 b5 32.Bd6 Kf7
33.Ke3 Bf6 34.Ne4 Bd5 35.a3 h5 36.Bb4 Ke6 37.Nc5+ Kf7 38.g4 hxg4 39.hxg4 Bg5+ 40.f4 Bf6
41.Ne4 Ke6 42.Nd6 Bc6 43.f5+ gxf5 44.Nxf5 Bg5+ 45.Kd3 Bg2 46.Ke2 Bd5 47.Nd4+ Kf6 48.Kd3 Bg2
49.Bd2 Bxd2 50.Kxd2 Bh3 51.Nxb5 Bxg4 52.a4 Ke7 1/2

[Event "Bundesliga 0304"]
[Site "Germany"]
[Date "2003.10.??"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Glek,Igor V"]
[Black "Ftacnik,Lubomir"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Be2 Nbd7 5.d3 b6 6.0-0 Bb7 7.Nbd2 g6 8.d4 cxd4
9.cxd4 Bg7 10.Bd3 0-0 11.Re1 e5 12.d5 Nc5 13.Bc2 a5 14.a4 Bh6 15.Nb3 Bxc1 16.Nxc5 bxc5
17.Rxc1 Ba6 18.Bd3 Bxd3 19.Qxd3 Rb8 20.b3 Rb4 21.Rc4 Qb6 22.Nd2 Rb8 23.Re3 Nd7 24.h3 Qc7
25.Qc2 R4b7 1/2

[Event "Petrosian mem"]
[Site "Stepanakert"]
[Date "2004.03.09"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Ghaem Maghami,Ehsan"]
[Black "Macieja,Bartlomiej"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B50"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.Bc2 Bg4 6.0-0 e6 7.h3 Bh5 8.d3 Be7
9.Re1 0-0 10.Nbd2 d5 11.Qe2 b5 12.g4 Bg6 13.Nh4 Qc7 14.Ndf3 Nd7 15.Nxg6 hxg6 16.e5 b4
17.c4 dxc4 18.dxc4 Nd4 19.Nxd4 cxd4 20.Bf4 Nc5 21.Rad1 Rfd8 22.Bd3 b3 23.a3 a5 24.Qf3 a4
25.Bd2 Nxd3 26.Qxd3 Ra6 27.Bb4 Rc6 28.Bxe7 1/2